Buick Regal GS Tune adds 77HP - what do you think now?

[Guywithacar]

I was absolutely considering the GS before leasing my 2012 CC R-Line 6MT, but they wanted over $200/month more and the Buick dealer wanted to give me $4000 LESS for my pristine Audi S4 Cabriolet (6MT). Sorry....... no deal!

I really liked they way it drove, though. Back in early December, the dealer let me take it for a "real drive", all alone! This was one of the first ones delivered to a dealer.
Yes, it felt much heavier than my CC, but very refined. They did wonders with the suspension & brakes. Sits pretty low, took corners amazingly flat. Even the 6-spd MT was smooth & precise.
I was very impressed. Much more Opel than Buick!

Did it feel like 270-280hp/ 295 ft torque? Not quite. The weight killed it.
Could I have lived with it for 3 years, knowing a "tune" would be on-the-way? Absolutely!
Too bad the dealer was too "Buick" and not enough "Opel".If they had those leasing deals back in December, I may be driving one today!
TM

Keep the cc it's worth the money.

[Stereodude]

Ok... Has any one looked at this cars weight?? this isn't a fast car or even a good looking car and it Probly handles like crap.

Your village called. For whatever reason they want their idiot (you) back.

[ChiTownA34DR]

Your village called. For whatever reason they want their idiot (you) back.

[GolfVIDriver]

So they are leasing well now? Yahweh... freaking... condemn it.

Leasing is very much a matter of timing. What was a good deal last month may not be this month. And this is a classic case.

[drewbroo]

I am actually a trifecta distributor. You can even specify how much tq management you want in each gear. A little bit is good in first gear tapering. lift it in 2nd gear and up. I am very curious on what vince will do with the ATS.

I have always owned VDubs and GM's here and there, the tuning community is so much better on the GM side of things. I still do not understand why there is not any easy available/affordable self tuning kits for VW's. The things I could do with my 2.0....

[reticulan]

I think they completely lost me as a potential customer when they said they aren't planning on offering an AWD model in the US because there isn't a market for one....

that

[reticulan]

I am actually a trifecta distributor. You can even specify how much tq management you want in each gear. A little bit is good in first gear tapering. lift it in 2nd gear and up. I am very curious on what vince will do with the ATS.

I have always owned VDubs and GM's here and there, the tuning community is so much better on the GM side of things. I still do not understand why there is not any easy available/affordable self tuning kits for VW's. The things I could do with my 2.0....

Revo and APR are crooks. I have asked Chris from Revo numerous times why they do not provide a software backup with their 2.0T tune, and their answer is always, something to the effect that, the customer is too stupid to load their software onto the ecu. I guess we have to be stupid to be paying $600 for their software and they don't allow you to program your own car or keep a backup copy of the tune so you don't have to drive an hour to one of their dealers and be charged a shop fee. I'm sure he'll chime in here, again with the same excuse.

[302W]

I'd assume big gains are pretty easy with any turbo car, assuming the bottom end can handle it. Especially these days with everything being done electronically.

[lostsurferinbc]

at the end of the day it will still be a buick

and will be a pile of junk that know one wants in 15 years just like any GM, Ford or Chrysler product.

I might be wrong, but.............only time will tell.

[Turbio!]

My feeling is that it'll be vurra interesting to see how the pricing on a Fusion 2.0 Ecoboost, with or without AWD, stacks up in comparison to the Regal Turbo and GS....because having poked around both at the Denver Auto Show, I think the Fusion is easily as nice a car as the Regal. My dad thought it looked like a $40-50k car, and while I might not go that far, the Fusion is every bit as nice as the Regal (or, for that matter, an A4 or any number of other entry-level premiumish cars). Assuming that tuning potential is similar....it could be one hell of a shootout.

[lostsurferinbc]

My feeling is that it'll be vurra interesting to see how the pricing on a Fusion 2.0 Ecoboost, with or without AWD, stacks up in comparison to the Regal Turbo and GS....because having poked around both at the Denver Auto Show, I think the Fusion is easily as nice a car as the Regal. My dad thought it looked like a $40-50k car, and while I might not go that far, the Fusion is every bit as nice as the Regal (or, for that matter, an A4 or any number of other entry-level premiumish cars). Assuming that tuning potential is similar....it could be one hell of a shootout.

Isn't it the Taurus SHO (the a8 killer) that got the eco boost? or are they putting it in the Fusion as well?

[Turbio!]

Isn't it the Taurus SHO (the a8 killer) that got the eco boost? or are they putting it in the Fusion as well?

The Fusion gets a 2.0L, four-cylinder Ecoboost with about 240hp.

[Turbio!]

and will be a pile of junk that know one wants in 15 years just like any GM, Ford or Chrysler product.

I might be wrong, but.............only time will tell.

Time already told, you just weren't listening.

[AggvGtivr6]

Still only front wheel drive ?

Thanks anyways GM... i'll keep saving for a Z06

[GTRaavv]

Lol
As for the ATS, it's going to give BMW a run for their money... But I highly doubt that the ats's lack of manual transmission for various models (2 out of 3 models is only avail in auto), and what's up withe the 180hp Malibu engine on base? +no manual on base?
BMW's 328i inline 4 twin scroll turbo makes only 240hp, but does 0-60 in 5.4-5.7 seconds. Wow... I highly doubt the ATS turbo will be able to match that, and match Bmw's dynamics.

Well the 2.5L in the ATS will be pumping out 202 hp, which considering its weight, puts it in line with most other of the smaller engine offerings in this class - C250, G25, A4 2.0T, IS250. BMW is sort of the odd man out offering such a potent base engine. Cadillac's 4 engine approach seems very logical to me: base engine with high mpg and a cheap entry price, turbo model step-up providing more fun and decent mpgs, traditional V6 for those that want it, and the ATS-V.

[Turbio!]

Still only front wheel drive ?

Thanks anyways GM... i'll keep saving for a Z06

What's the problem with FWD in this application? It's a sporty-ish budget luxury sedan with decent handling. For its niche, FWD is probably superior - RWD is a bit of a gimmick unless you start talking serious performance cars. AWD would be a nice option that the next Regal will probably incorporate, but...

[Turbio!]

Well the 2.5L in the ATS will be pumping out 202 hp, which considering its weight, puts it in line with most other of the smaller engine offerings in this class - C250, G25, A4 2.0T, IS250. BMW is sort of the odd man out offering such a potent base engine. Cadillac's 4 engine approach seems very logical to me: base engine with high mpg and a cheap entry price, turbo model step-up providing more fun and decent mpgs, traditional V6 for those that want it, and the ATS-V.

And from what I gather, the 2.5 is the CAFE/loss leader special - if you want any options at all, you're bumping up to the turbo.

[AeroBuilders]

Buick needs to put the GS on a weight loss plan and a tuned AWD version with the 3.6L would be a better offering at 35K price tag imo. If I bought a GS in current form, I would go MT and drive it as a nice every day cruiser - not a light to light sport sedan racer.

Buick Regal GS V 1.0 is decent - now go back to the engineers and give us a better effort for V 2.0 a year or two out.

[Turbio!]

Buick needs to put the GS on a weight loss plan and a tuned AWD version with the 3.6L would be a better offering at 35K price tag imo. If I bought a GS in current form, I would go MT and drive it as a nice every day cruiser - not a light to light sport sedan racer.

Buick Regal GS V 1.0 is decent - now go back to the engineers and give us a better effort for V 2.0 a year or two out.

My vote would be for something along the lines of what we've got now - FWD nice every day cruiser, maybe AWD as an option...but no GS trim level. For that, an ATS-based RWD GNX coupe with a turbo 3.6.

[AeroBuilders]

No, better - bump to 3.8L Turbo like the old days!

[dmorrow]

Revo and APR are crooks. I have asked Chris from Revo numerous times why they do not provide a software backup with their 2.0T tune, and their answer is always, something to the effect that, the customer is too stupid to load their software onto the ecu. I guess we have to be stupid to be paying $600 for their software and they don't allow you to program your own car or keep a backup copy of the tune so you don't have to drive an hour to one of their dealers and be charged a shop fee. I'm sure he'll chime in here, again with the same excuse.

I've always been of the opinion that you can build and sell whatever you want at whatever price you want and if the customer doesn't want it they should go somewhere else. They owe you something? Did you buy something from them and not get what you paid for?

[jspirate]

77HP more to the front wheels? Pass...

No, its just the right front wheel.

[Air-over-water]

I'd still rather drive a rotted out Vw with 90hp than a American car

[GTRaavv]

And from what I gather, the 2.5 is the CAFE/loss leader special - if you want any options at all, you're bumping up to the turbo.

Yeah would be a pretty good ploy honestly. Advertise high mpg and low base price to sucker people in. But I also think performance-wise it will easily be comparable to the C250 and even the A4 2.0T considering the weight. And with the Audi, you have to spend $45k to upgrade the engine. So I really don't think it's going to be that bad of an engine compared to the competition.

[GTRaavv]

Buick needs to put the GS on a weight loss plan and a tuned AWD version with the 3.6L would be a better offering at 35K price tag imo. If I bought a GS in current form, I would go MT and drive it as a nice every day cruiser - not a light to light sport sedan racer.

Buick Regal GS V 1.0 is decent - now go back to the engineers and give us a better effort for V 2.0 a year or two out.

Although I admire the Regal GS for what it is, there was a feeling from day one (or the day it was leaked that the Verano turbo was getting 250hp) that it was going to be a temporary solution. I'd imagine some changes are coming down the pipeline rather soon. Seems to be the way at Buick right now.

[Air-over-water]

and will be a pile of junk that know one wants in 15 years just like any GM, Ford or Chrysler product.

Most new cars do not seem to be designed/built to withstand 15 years of use.
But I guess only time will tell.

[Rangod]

From what I have read, the HiPer Strut front suspension in the GS curbs torque steer.

Even in the corners i dont feel torque steer at all