Reply With QuoteGross. I'm trying to eat lunch here.
I want to see them, post them up!cue the 2.7 from Chrysler and others
Gross. I'm trying to eat lunch here.
are you eating an engine or something?
Quote, originally posted by crushkilldestroy » Gross. I'm trying to eat lunch here.
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I gotta pull some pics of the 318 I am tearing apart right now. Its not horrible, but it has quite a few hardened sludge piles in the valley. I was kind of actually surprised how clean it was in the heads and valley. Still, some decent sludge piles though.-Greg
Quote, originally posted by ATL_Av8r » are you eating an engine or something? Delicious horsepower.
Where's the photos of that guy's 1.8T Passat that he bought for like 20 bucks or whatever?
i gotta post some of my pics. they are awesome
Quote, originally posted by sperkins » i gotta post some of my pics. they are awesome Sweet post them up.
oil sludge eh? 1.8T comes to mind
Quote, originally posted by ItzDarrell » oil sludge eh? 1.8T comes to mind
its poor maintenance, not the engine...
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Quote, originally posted by bluerabbit0886 »
its poor maintenance, not the engine...
WRONG!!!! on more than one occasion i have had to replace a 1.8t engine with full service history... there is a good reason they are being covered under warranty...its a manufacturer defect!
Quote, originally posted by bluerabbit0886 »
its poor maintenance, not the engine...
aren't they all?
btw, oil "sludge" on the bottom of the valve cover is totally normal (on all kinds of cars) and not harmful.
Quote, originally posted by SLAB »
WRONG!!!! on more than one occasion i have had to replace a 1.8t engine with full service history... there is a good reason they are being covered under warranty...its a manufacturer defect!Please explain how oil sludging is related to an engine's design defect. My experience says otherwise. It is always related to neglectful maintenance, wrong oil type, or excessive wear and tear due to towing, racing, etc.
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When I worked at Toyota and we got sludged motors in every car with sludge was one that hadn't had it's oil changed in 30,000 miles. Most engines wouldn't even survive that long to become sludged.
Quote, originally posted by crushkilldestroy » Gross. I'm trying to eat lunch here. So? Looks like hot fudge to me.
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Quote, originally posted by BostonB6 » 
That looks an awful lot like the 'Yota 1MZ-FE
Quote, originally posted by bluerabbit0886 »
its poor maintenance, not the engine...
You are wrong on this buddy. That is one of the main causes of 1.8t engine failure.
Quote, originally posted by synlube.com » Engines affected with oil sludge problems:
-- 1998-2002 Chrysler
-- 1998-2002 Dodge Dakota
-- 1998-2002 Dodge StratusThe Dodge Stratus (and twins, Chrysler Cirrus and Plymouth Breeze) are mid-size 4-door sedans
-- 1998-2002 Dodge IntrepidThe Dodge Intrepid is a large 4-door midsize front-wheel-drive sedan. It is mechanically related to the Chrysler Concorde sedan. The Intrepid and Concorde are collectively designated the "LH" series, after Chrysler's code name for the platform on which both cars were originally designed.
-- 1996-2001 Toyota
List of Toyota vehicles with affected engines 3.0 L 1MZ V6
-- August 1996-July 2001 Toyota CamryThe Toyota Camry is a large family car manufactured by Toyota in the United States at Georgetown, Kentucky, as well as Australia and Japan. In the United States, the Camry competes directly with the Honda Accord and, to a lesser extent, the Nissan Maxima and Ford Taurus. In more recent years, an upbranded version of the Camry, specifically the hardtop variant sold in Japan, has been exported as the Lexus ES250, ES300, and ES330.
-- June 1998-May 2001 Toyota Camry Solara
-- July 1997-May 2001 Toyota SiennaThe Toyota Sienna is a minivan sold since 1998. It replaced the Previa as a more-conventional front wheel drive van, and was updated for 2004 with a larger model. The Sienna won Car and Driver's Five Best Trucks "van" award for 2004.
-- July 1996-May 2001 Toyota AvalonThe Toyota Avalon is a large automobile model produced by Toyota in the United States and Australia, originally based on the technology of the then-current Toyota Camry.
The first Toyota Avalon rolled off the assembly line in Georgetown, Kentucky on February 21, 1994 as a 1995 model. A second-generation model was released in the United States and Japan in 1999.
The original, first-generation Avalon continues to be built in Australia in the Melbourne suburb of Altona, made in both right hand drive for Australia, New Zealand and some parts of Asia, and left hand drive for the Middle East. The Camry is also made at this same plant, most for export.
-- November 2000-July 2001 Toyota Highlander
The Toyota Highlander (called Kluger in Japan and Australia) is a model of SUV (a type of automobile) assembled by Toyota Motor Corp. under the Toyota brand name.
-- August 1998-July 2001 Lexus ES300
The Lexus ES is Lexus' midsize sedan. It is based on the Toyota Camry, but with a more upscale ride, more elegant styling, and more luxury features. The ES debuted in 1989 as the ES 250 (the '250' denotes a 2.5-liter engine) with the Camry's 156 hp V-6. Completely redesigned for 1992, it was renamed the ES 300 to reflect the half-liter bump in engine displacement.
-- January 1998-July 2001 Lexus RX300
-- 1996-2001 ToyotaList of Toyota vehicles with affected engines 5SFE I4
-- August 1996-July 2001 Toyota CamryThe Toyota Camry is a large family car manufactured by Toyota in the United States at Georgetown, Kentucky, as well as Australia and Japan. In the United States, the Camry competes directly with the Honda Accord and, to a lesser extent, the Nissan Maxima and Ford Taurus. In more recent years, an upbranded version of the Camry, specifically the hardtop variant sold in Japan, has been exported as the Lexus ES250, ES300, and ES330.
-- June 1998-May 2001 Toyota Camry Solara
-- August 1996-April 1999 Toyota CelicaThe Toyota Celica name has been applied to a series of popular sports cars made by the Japanese company Toyota.
-- 1998 Toyota Corolla
-- 1997-2004 Volkswagen (VW) 1.8t
-- 1997-2004 Audi A4 1.8tThe Audi A4 is an automobile series assembled by Volkswagen Group, first sold in 1995 as a 1996 model, replacing the Audi 80. It was based on the B5 and had the same chassis until a redesign in 2002. One distinction was the engine orientation — it is longitudinal, which is more often found in rear wheel drive cars. It was first only available with a 2.8 liter 172 horsepower V-6 until 1997, when the 150 horsepower 1.8 liter Turbo inline-4 was introduced. This engine was affected by an oil sludge problem.
-- 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passat 1.8t
The Volkswagen Passat is a family car built by Volkswagen AG. It falls between the VW Golf/Jetta and VW Phaeton in the current VW production line-up. It is produced in VW's plant in Emden.
-- 1998-2003 SAAB 2.0- and 2.3-liter 4-cylinders in some cars
-- The 2.3-liter in 1998-2003 Saab 9-5s and in 1999 Saab 9-3 Viggens.
-- The 2.0-liter in 2000-02 Saab 9-3 three-doors and five-doors and in 2000-03 Saab 9-3 convertibles.
since the first pic was from a BMW..and im a BMW tech...so heres a later 90's 7 series oilpan..with like 70k on it...by far the worst sludgeing ive ever seen..hadnt had an oilchange in like 30k...and only one reported oil change prior to that done by our dealer...complaint was rough running and smoke out of exhaust haha...3 oil changes with ATF and it actually started to run decent again..
Quote, originally posted by Uberhare » Please explain how oil sludging is related to an engine's design defect. My experience says otherwise. It is always related to neglectful maintenance, wrong oil type, or excessive wear and tear due to towing, racing, etc.
Passat 1.8ts have sludging problems because they just don't have enough oil capacity thanks to their shallow oil pans. Volkswagen started using larger oil filters in an attempt to bandaid the issue. Sludging is NOT an issue on transverse cars, only passats.
Quote, originally posted by mk2vrooom » since the first pic was from a BMW..and im a BMW tech...so heres a later 90's 7 series oilpan..with like 70k on it...by far the worst sludgeing ive ever seen..hadnt had an oilchange in like 30k...and only one reported oil change prior to that done by our dealer...complaint was rough running and smoke out of exhaust haha...3 oil changes with ATF and it actually started to run decent again..
This looks like a headgasket leak because of the yellowish/mikly substance. Oil wouldn't turn that color unless there was something else wrong.
Quote, originally posted by 20aeman » Passat 1.8ts have sludging problems because they just don't have enough oil capacity thanks to their shallow oil pans. Volkswagen started using larger oil filters in an attempt to bandaid the issue. Sludging is NOT an issue on transverse cars, only passats.
Thanks for clearing that up...it can be prevented as the engine is from factory but that requires more frequent oil change intervals and as usual customers dont want to do oil changes every 5000kms
Quote, originally posted by Uberhare » Please explain how oil sludging is related to an engine's design defect. My experience says otherwise. It is always related to neglectful maintenance, wrong oil type, or excessive wear and tear due to towing, racing, etc. Toyota 1MZ-FE and late 5S-FE engines have insufficient cooling to certain spots in the cylinder head. It was a result of a deliberate design change to increase combustion temperatures. The result was that oil would slowly burn up and sludge within the cylinder heads. This is a known issue and Toyota has replaced thousands of them.
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This thread scares me. Has anyone tried out Automotive Technologies products from Ametech? I was looking at the motor flush and and engine restore formulas. I just passed 140,000 on my 1.8t...Any input?
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Quote, originally posted by 8v deathsquad » This thread scares me. Has anyone tried out Automotive Technologies products from Ametech? I was looking at the motor flush and and engine restore formulas. I just passed 140,000 on my 1.8t... Any input?
Use Seafoam. It's tried and true, and actually works.
http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUp.htm
That said, you have a transverse 1.8T in your Beetle. Read above... Sludging normally only affects the longitudinal 1.8T in the Passat/A4. That said, a Seafoam treatment on a 140k mile engine will have benefits.
Guess I should've read more. I've heard a lot of good things about Seafoam I'll have to try it out thanks.
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Saab B235 owner checking in--this is a 2.3 lpt model with 88k on the clock. The LPT cars are often most affected by sludge due to Saab not specifying synthetic oil; however, due to 10k+ oil change intervals, even Aeros (for which Saab did spec synth) can be affected.
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Number of reasons for this issue; 1) oil pan is exposed to very high temps due to exhaust passing directly underneath shallow section; 2)PCV system on older cars was poorly designed; 3) lower-friction design piston rings (to produce higher fuel economy) allow more combustion gasses to pass into the oil sump, contaminating the oil much more quickly; 4) As stated above, Saab did not specify synthetic oil for all models and initially spec'ed very long (10,000+ mile) OCI's.
Quote, originally posted by 3 Money Pits » Use Seafoam. It's tried and true, and actually works.
http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUp.htm
That said, you have a transverse 1.8T in your Beetle. Read above... Sludging normally only affects the longitudinal 1.8T in the Passat/A4. That said, a Seafoam treatment on a 140k mile engine will have benefits.
I just ran a can of Seafoam through my wife's '01 NB - not sure how much of a difference it's made, but the peace of mind is worth it.
I think it has a little more pep to it (has a 2.0L).How many cans of Seafoam would the above engines need?
That would be a smoke show from hell.
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WRONG!!!! on more than one occasion i have had to replace a 1.8t engine with full service history... there is a good reason they are being covered under warranty...its a manufacturer defect!what cars and how many?
if you said coilpacks, id believe you. sludging, try again.
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Quote, originally posted by marknuck311 » How many cans of Seafoam would the above engines need? I don't think an act of god could help some of the engines posted in this thread, not to mention Seafoam.
Quote, originally posted by trigtm » This looks like a headgasket leak because of the yellowish/mikly substance. Oil wouldn't turn that color unless there was something else wrong.
oil would turn that color when theres as much sludge in an engine as that...oil in the bottom end tends to turn that color since the sludge doesnt get through the engine it sits there it collects moisture...therefore thats why it looks like chocolate milk...
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i don't have any pics, but the cummins 5.9 and 8.3 (ISB). are terrible for sludging up. it should be common practice to run diesel in the oil in these engines. it is also common on overworked/idled powerstrokes it causes all sorts of running issues (damn HUEI injectors).
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