looking to purchase, they look like this
Great cars, I'm at the wrong computer but I'll post some pics in the morning. They last forever as long as the maintenance has been done. My brother just sold his '87, the engine had 175K so they last well. Really they are not on every corner and they are fast. Try to find the Getrag rather than the auto: it is much more satisfying
I love this picture, it shows three of the five I know of in Chicago at one time. Driving with this crew is fun
Modified by chandlerGTi at 6:34 AM 10-13-2005
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Paging djrado.
I own one of the 5000 ever made. And Im proud of it.
And Its a Grey Market.
Modified by TPaws at 7:26 PM 10-12-2005
http://www.geocities.com/nideggerh/evo_main.htmlCheck out this site
Quote, originally posted by TPaws » Your cars pic here Did you replace the hydraulic suspension with H&Rs? It sits really well.
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I havnt relaced it yet. But I did release some of the oil pressure out of the oil resivors, under the back of the car. It levels it out. and it hugs the road better, its neutral, No understear, but it kinda has some overstear if you wip it.
hows do you plan keeping that car on the road during the winters in the burgh?
Quote, originally posted by TPaws » I own one of the 5000 ever made. And Im proud of it.
And Its a Grey Market.
Modified by TPaws at 7:26 PM 10-12-2005amazing looking car, nice job
Quote, originally posted by TPaws » I own one of the 5000 ever made. And Im proud of it.
And Its a Grey Market.
Modified by TPaws at 7:26 PM 10-12-2005Very nice, is it quick, easy to toss around corners, ... how is the overall driving experience ?
I ran one in the 2005 Cannonball One Lap of America. Just sold it, as a matter of fact.
it's been the bit(h of the BMW E30 M3 ever since it was created.
I pulled a 15 flat in the 1/4 mile. Ive been doing some little work in it. when its done I think it will be pulling around 14.7.
As for wiping it I think this explains it.........
Some people love them, but I am not one of them. Lately I have been working on a 2.3L (four cylinder) and a 2.6L (inline six cylinder). The 2.6L broke it's timing chain (interference engine), which is a pathetic looking chain about twice the size of a bicycle chain. The frame holds up very well and usually just get surface rust. The rear bushings on the front lower control arms are prone to collapsing since they are not solid rubber but rather an "I" shape. Replace the lower control arm bushings with solid ones (like the bushings in the front of the control arm) will dramatically improve stability and handling. The rubber driveshaft connectors collapse as well; even when new they are designed to absorb some twist (which is extremely annoying when accelerating and decelerating quickly because the car will jerk forward and back). The exhaust design is similar to the BMW cars; not very servicable unless custom welding is done or complete sections must be changed. The plastic cover above the foot pedals is too low, but it should be easy to remove this cover to avoid the top of your foot hitting the cover. (Happens to me everytime I drive the cars and I wear size 10.5 US). The rest of the car has a solid German quality to it.
YEAH to bad the W201 came out B4 the E30
That e190 2.3 16v came out after the E30 M3 . It was made to compete against the m3.That was their homologation special.They had an e190 before..just not the 2.3 16v. It was the bitch of the e30 m3 it's whole life.
Modified by StupidGTI at 9:19 PM 10-12-2005
the 16v came out in europe in 84.
Mine's a '85. They only sold them for 2 years in the US, 86-87
Quote, originally posted by TPaws » the 16v came out in europe in 84.
Mine's a '85. They only sold them for 2 years in the US, 86-87so you're trying to tell me MB had a homologation car before BMW brought out the M3? so you're saying bmw built the M3 to compete against the MB?
2.5 came..AFTER the e30 m3. not before. I'm 100% positive of that dude. Evo 1 and Evo 2..they might have had E190 or a 190e in 84..but it's not the car that went against the M3.
Modified by StupidGTI at 9:35 PM 10-12-2005
Modified by StupidGTI at 9:36 PM 10-12-2005
I'll try and find the history of the 16v, and post it. Im sorry if anything I said comes out to be wrong.
http://www.germancarfans.com/f....htmlHere's some history for you
The DTM (Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters) race series became popular around this time so Mercedes entered multiple cars after satisfying the rules stipulation that required 5,000 road going versions to be built. BMW entered DTM with its enthralling M3, which was a direct rival to the 190. Competition forced Mercedes Benz to enlarge engine capacity to 2.5 liters and eventually release a more advanced Evolution 1 and 2 versions with more aerodynamic aids and horsepower. At this point, the famous engine tuner, AMG, was called upon to create a team of their own. Mercedes and AMG went on to win over 50 DTM races and numerous titles, which solidified their dedication to motor sports, which lives on to this day.told ya.
Modified by StupidGTI at 11:43 PM 10-12-2005
On the racetrack, the M3 won many races and held the honor for the employees at BMW Motorsports Division. Don’t forget these are some of the same individuals who helped develop the M1, M5, and the V10 F1 engine, which has shown that they can beat their competitors like Mercedes, Ferrari, and Ford (Jaguar) on a regular basis. What does this all mean to its road going competitors of the day like the Lancia Delta, Cosworth Ford, and the previously mentioned 190E2.316V? It meant from a driving standpoint this car was superior.
e30 m3..winningest car in touring cup history.
Quote, originally posted by TPaws » I own one of the 5000 ever made. And Im proud of it.
I would like to point out that since your car is an '85 it is not an AMG. AMG didn't get involved in the development untill '86. Your car was developed in house by Mercedes with input from Cosworth. Odd to see the AMG badge on the back
Quote, originally posted by STUPIDGTI » The DTM (Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters) race series became popular around this time so Mercedes entered multiple cars after satisfying the rules stipulation that required 5,000 road going versions to be built. BMW entered DTM with its enthralling M3, which was a direct rival to the 190. Competition forced Mercedes Benz to enlarge engine capacity to 2.5 liters and eventually release a more advanced Evolution 1 and 2 versions with more aerodynamic aids and horsepower. At this point, the famous engine tuner, AMG, was called upon to create a team of their own. Mercedes and AMG went on to win over 50 DTM races and numerous titles, which solidified their dedication to motor sports, which lives on to this day. Actually this proves the point. Merecedes was running the 2.3-16v BEFORE the M3 came out. When the M3 came out they DID enlarge the engine to compete; but, the M3 was built to compete with the 2.3-16v.
Modified by chandlerGTi at 6:38 AM 10-13-2005
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The Benz came first, and by a couple of years. As has been said elsewhere, AMG had nothing to do with it. The car was demoed to the motoring press in late 1983.The way we had ours set up (SLS removed, Bilstein Sports and H&R low springs) it was a fantastic, predictable handler which could be steered all day on the throttle. It was so easy to drift that I went ahead and did what amounted to a full drift run at the second Nelson Ledges event during One Lap, earning the nickname "Mr. Entertainment".
This is my friends, he's 18 and did all the work himself. He fabricated everything. It's running some kind of t3/t4 with alcahol injection. I think he said hes putting somewhere in the nieghborhood of 400hp to the tires. Its a fast car.
Quote, originally posted by HeardEveryWord » This is my friends, he's 18 and did all the work himself. He fabricated everything. It's running some kind of t3/t4 with alcahol injection. I think he said hes putting somewhere in the nieghborhood of 400hp to the tires. Its a fast car.
This wouldn't be the Lime Rock Park parking lot would it? That car is stunning...your friend must have some $$$ to be modding a car like that, and doing it tastefully
This is in Midland Michigan. Barstow airport auto-x. He wasnt racing, just there to show off and check it out.
why does this question pops out every other week in TCL
those 5000 race street legal versions are the cars in question. Not any and every 190.
cause i fantastize about having a classic german wing open in my garage, the 190e 16v (liek the one in albany i was looking at) and a clean 2002 are the first ones in
Quote, originally posted by HeardEveryWord » Wow he must have seen them building this one, they look identical underhood:
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I think I know that. My car had a AMG cosmetic package. Wheels, Euro plate that said "AMG 2.3 16v" on it. Plus the badge. nothing much. I could care less that it says AMG on the trunk. At least I have a Euro 16v.
Quote, originally posted by TPaws » I think I know that. My car had a AMG cosmetic package. Wheels, Euro plate that said "AMG 2.3 16v" on it. Plus the badge. nothing much. I could care less that it says AMG on the trunk. At least I have a Euro 16v. Sorry, I didn't mean to give offense. Some people don't know much since they are hard to research. Did your car come with the Penta wheels?(If they did I'll buy them from you
Modified by chandlerGTi at 6:44 AM 10-14-2005
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It did. and the spokes were painted the same as the car with a machined lip. they were sweet. Bot sorry I sold them about 3-4 months ago.
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